Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:26:29 -0700 (MST) -------------- BEGIN bread-bakers.v102.n014 -------------- 001 - Judith Barnett - sourdough 011 - "Pedro S. Arellano III" < - Re: Starters and Evolution 012 - "Greg Carpenter" Subject: lecithin Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:05:14 -0800 When you use lecithin, depending on the amount of flour, do you add it along with the oil or shortening or does it replace the oil? Judith Judith Barnett pooh4jvn@pacbell.net http://www.pbase.com/pooh4jvn/galleries --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.2 --------------- From: Roselevyb@aol.com Subject: lecithin Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:30:13 EST Re the lecithin question: King Arthur catalogue has dried lecithin that is much easier to use than the liquid. Keep it refrigerated as all lecithin can get rancid and give a horrible taste to the bread! P.S. I'm really enjoying the sourdough starter controversy! Rose Levy Beranbaum future author of "Rose's Bread Bible" Fall of 2003 --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.3 --------------- From: EVELYNJEPSON@aol.com Subject: Bug Problem - namely Weevils Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:45:16 EST I found a great solution for that. Bay Leaves. Just put one whole bay leaf in with your flour. No Weevils, they hate Bay Leaf. I had no bugs, then got an onslaught. Now I have one drawer I keep my flours in. I tape leaves on the sides and bottom of my drawer, and in the flour, and NO MORE BUGS. evelynjepson@aol.com --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.4 --------------- From: "S&R Ash" Subject: Starters for Bread Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:06:30 -0500 It was interesting to read all the postings about starters and the history of them. Ed Daltons post really made me smile. I have friends who worry so over keeping an old starter going and have a nervous breakdown if they think they are dying. After I was married I was given the Friendship starter, and another starter for Sourdough breads. I nearly had a breakdown trying to give that stuff away as it multiplied so quickly I couldn't keep up with it. Also we were military and how do you move starters from base to base, and pillar to post. One day I completely lost it and threw it all out back of the house. TOO Much trouble! I felt better almost immediately. I have a Sourdough Bread I make from a recipe book called "Four In One Cookbook Collection" by Betty Crocker. I use the starter for the recipe, and after I am done throw out all the left over mess. My nerves couldn't deal with it all. I have wonderful bread everytime and no worries. If I think I am going to make several loaves in a few weeks I do keep it going until we are done. Then throw it out. (I never liked a sour taste anyway.) SEA P.S. I will send a little story about my Grandma and her starter as a new bride if its okay to share a story here that is true. --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.5 --------------- From: "Jerry Ulett" Subject: Microwave Bread Baking Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:58:39 -0800 A recent posting was the Beard recipe for English Muffin Bread baked in a microwave. I love the Rick Krall recipe for Authentic English Muffins and may not try the Beard recipe for the bread, but I am curious. Is it o.k. to use a metal pan in a microwave oven? Jerry Ulett _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.6 --------------- From: "Richard L Walker" Subject: Re: Sourdough starters Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:02:17 -0600 yeast is concerned, there is always the "strong" possibility of infection, contamination or whatever you want to call it. When I made wine, sanitation was easy (a few Camden tablets). When I made beer, sanitation was tough (dilute Clorox solution and rinse for everything it touched.) The bread making standard for home starters is the flour / water / yeast mix in the refrigerator that gets refreshed every so often. The procedure certainly leaves gaping holes for additional "growing things" to be introduced to the culture. I've kept them for years using this process, but the final flavor did evolve from what I started with. I'm wondering if anyone has attempted to keep their sourdough culture in liquid form as many home brewers do. The procedure is straightforward, but the sanitization involved can be a pain. It would certainly not allow for any new contaminants and future cultures should be the same as the original keeping the flavor of each loaf fairly consistent. "Richard L Walker" Pensacola, FL 32504-7726 USA --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.7 --------------- From: Frances Feeter Subject: English muffins and pizza Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:59:33 -1000 Haven't tried Rick Krall's English muffins, but here's a simple one I like that gives a good muffin with those "nooks and crannies". It's from the Sunset "Breads" book, and quick and easy to make. ENGLISH MUFFINS 1 pkg active dry yeast 1 1/4 c. warm water (about 110 F) 1/2 t. baking soda 1 t. salt 3 1/2 to 4 cups bread flour 2 small egg whites 1. Sprinkle yeast over warm water in large bowl; set stand until foamy (about 5 min.). Add baking soda, salt, and 2 cups of flour; beat until smooth. 2. Beat egg whites until stiff, moist peaks form. Fold into batter. With electric mixer or heavy spoon, beat in about 1 cup more flour, 1/4 cup at a time, until dough pulls away from sides of bowl in stretchy strands. Turn out onto a well-floured board and knead until smooth and slightly springy - about 5minutes; dough should be soft and sticky. (I did the kneading in the Kitchen Aid mixer with dough hook). Place in greased bowl; turn over to grease top. Cover with plastic wrap and let rise in warm place until doubled (about 1 hour). 3. Punch down dough and knead briefly on lightly floured board to release air. With floured rolling pin, roll dough 1/2 inch thick. Using a 3" round cookie cutter, cut out muffins and place slightly apart on a board lightly sprinkled with cornmeal; sprinkle muffins with more cornmeal. reroll scraps and cut. Cover lightly and let rise in warm place until almost doubled (about 45 min.). 4. Heat a girddle or wide frying pan over medium heat. When griddle is hot, grease lightly. Cook muffins, 2 or 3 at a time, turning once, until muffins are golden brown on top and bottom and a skewer inserted in sides comes out clean (8 - 10 Min.). Makes about 12 muffins. ************************************************************* From the same book is this pizza topping that is really good. I just call it white pizza, but the book says: Caramelized Onion and Goat Cheese topping Cut 2 medium onions in half lengthwise; then slice crosswise 1/2" thick. Heat 2 T. olive oil in a 8 to 10 inch frying pan over medium-low heat. Add onions and cook, stirring ocasionally, until very soft (about 30 minutes); set aside. In small bowl, stir together 1 cup (about 8 oz.) goat cheese, 12 cup (about 4 oz.) part-skim ricotta cheese, and 1/4 cup grated Parmesan cheese. Crumble over partially baked crusts. Top with onions. Sprinkle with 1 T minced fresh thyme or 2 t. dried thyme. Frances Feeter --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.8 --------------- From: "Andreas Wagner" Subject: Pizza toppings Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:44:55 +0100 Every so often I manage to put my thoughts into e-mail, so here's some ideas on pizza toppings. Our local pizzeria in a sleepy small town in the south of France makes beautful thin crust pizzas. One of my favourite is "Campagnarde", with a topping of creme fraiche (no tomato sauce at all!), sauteed onions, lardons (sauted streaky bacon bits), cheese, a light sprinkling of thyme and a few black olives. The other one is called "Chevrette" where you have a tomato sauce base, slices of goats cheese and olives - with that you get a little bottle of honey. Down here they have a thing about eating goats cheese with a bit of honey, and it's quite delicious! Thank you to all who post regularly, I enjoy reading it all very much! Andreas --------------------------------------------------------- For great holiday accommodation in the south of France visit our website at http://www.midihideaways.com --------------------------------------------------------- --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.9 --------------- From: "Ann Hunter" Subject: gluten flour Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:11:01 -0800 Hi, when I use gluten flour in my whole wheat breads I use 1 tablespoon gluten flour for every cup of whole wheat flour. :) Good luck with your bread. Ann --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.10 --------------- From: Lobo Subject: sourdough Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:28:10 -0800 I don't care what they say .... I've carried a starter around the country and to Korea since 1974 or so and it's different and better than those I've been given or started. It's always lively; it revives after months (one friend said a year) of sitting in the refrigerator. I wouldn't swear that the taste is any different than some other strain, but it sure does work the best. --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.11 --------------- From: "Pedro S. Arellano III" Subject: Re: Starters and Evolution Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:17:49 -0600 Sid Greaves asked about sourdough characteristics. Books have been written on the subject of sourdough. So I will not do the topic injustice by trying to explain it all with one post. Thus I refer you to someone who knows better than I. I don't know if you can find a better website than to learn about Sourdough. They have a ton of info and links on that site, including the answer to your question. And I have never seen a better book (for sourdough) than Ed Wood's, Sourdough from Antiquities. Ed has a site where you can by his starters and order other goodies. I have not tried his starters, but I have heard good things about them. He explains the differences between the different starters he has. I have been pretty lucky with sourdough. I made a starter with plain Flour and water (maybe a little sugar, I don't remember). Now I just feed it equal amounts of flour and water i.e. one-cup flour and one-cup water each time I use it or 2 Cups each, whatever. Hope this helps. Fellow Bread Fiend, Pedro --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.12 --------------- From: "Greg Carpenter" Subject: Sourdough evolution Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:39:05 -0500 Ed Dalton Wrote <> It is possible to develop a culture that thrives at low temperature with infrequent refreshments, and these cultures may not change as quickly. But change they will. <<>> Now let's keep a perspective here... (Litigation?!?) I think it's very cool that people maintain these cultures for years and I believe it adds to the pleasure of baking. There MAY even be some credibility to their claims of uniqueness, if done in a sterile environment, although I'd doubt that every culture these companies carry is on the same refreshment schedule and THIS, more than anything, will be the source of each culture's uniqueness. I only think someone has crossed the line when they claim they are selling the same culture that the prospectors used or when they claim that a home baker will somehow be able to maintain the same culture that people are using in Cairo without the benefit of Cairo flour, Cairo water and Cairo weather. <<>> NOOOO!!! Your starters are established. Why waste time elaborating a new one every time you want to bake? You've already done the work. If you keep several, try refreshing each one differently to get different results. For instance, refresh one with a higher ratio of water than the other (you will have to refresh it more frequently because it will be more active). Keep one at a lower temperature than the others. Let one go for longer than the others between refreshment. You will notice a vast difference. The best thing anyone can do to maintain consistent performance in their starter is stick with a consistent refreshment schedule (same time, same temperature every time) and always use the same ingredients. Different schedules produce different cultures. Different temperatures (both ambient and ingredient) produce different cultures as well. Mess around with these concepts. Whatever you do, keep to a schedule. This will allow you to see and control the many variables of sourdough starters. It was said in a different post that the "air" theory is mostly insignificant to sourdough evolution. I agree that ingredient choice and refreshment schedule are much more influential on a culture's evolution than the ambient organisms. Unless you are brewing beer. <<>> Again, let's not misinterpret this. A healthy culture relies symbiotic relationships, but they are dynamic. The players are constantly changing. Greg Carpenter Petoskey, MI --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.13 --------------- From: MMcclusk@aol.com Subject: onion bread Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:56:34 EST There was an onion bread on 3/23/02. I made it and it was very good. Before I could get it filed I lost the recipe. I remember it called for 4 onions. [[Editor's note: It's now up on the web: It's the last recipe in this digest. --Reggie]] MMcclusk@aol.com Thanks!!! --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.14 --------------- From: Tamera Yoakum Subject: sourdough starter recipe Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:53:34 -0600 Hello, I am looking for a recipe for a sourdough starter. Does anyone have one to share? Thanks Tamera --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.15 --------------- From: "Joni Repasch" Subject: Sally Lunn Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:19:23 -0400 I know I'm real late in responding to this request and someone else I'm sure has sent in a recipe but here is mine. joni JONI'S SALLY LUNN FOR ELECTRIC MIXERS Time from start to finish: about 6 hours 1 qt bread flour (5 cups in humid weather) 3 large or 4 small eggs, separated 1/2 cup Crisco shorting and 1/2 cup butter (mixed & melted) 1 cup tepid milk 3 Tbsp sugar 2 tsp salt 2 1/4 tsp instant yeast 1/4 -1/2 cup lukewarm water 1. Weigh out 1 lb of flour & place in mixing bowl. Weigh out 4 more ounces of flour and place in another bowl; set aside. To the 1 lb of flour add the sugar and yeast. Mix well and set aside. Measure salt in separate container. Set aside. 2. Melt shortening and butter (NOT BUBBLY). Cool slightly (about 100 F) (I use microwave) 3. Heat the milk and water in separate containers (I use microwave) 4. Separate eggs; pour the egg whites into the electric mixing bowl and whip using the whipping attachment until soft peaks form. Pour into a small bowl and set aside. 5. Place the yolks into the mixing bowl and whip until foamy. Lower the speed to about 2 and add the melted and cooled shortening/ butter mixture. Add warm milk and about 1/4 cup warm water. Beat well. Switch to paddle attachment and at low speed add the 1 lb of flour about 1 cup at a time. Add the whipped egg yolks and the salt. Batter should be a little thicker than waffle batter, but much too slack to knead. If batter is too thin add some of the reserved flour; if too thick a little more of water. 6. Brush with melted butter, cover with plastic wrap and towel; set aside in warm place until it rises to double in size. About 3 hours. (Some recipes call for beating down the batter each hour). 7. Still using paddle attachment beat the batter for 5 full minutes at low speed. Pour into greased tube pan, cover with greased plastic wrap and a clean towel; let rise again (1-1/2 to 2 hours). Brush with melted butter just before baking. 8. Preheat oven to 325 F for 15 minutes. 9. Bake in moderate oven about 45 minutes. IMPORTANT: Start baking at 325 F. When half done (22 minutes) INCREASE to 375 F and bake another 22 to 25 minutes. 10. Allow baked bread to rest about 1/2 hour before serving. Serve warm with lots of butter. PS. Good toasted. NOTES: This dough is too thin to knead. Nonetheless, it should be much thicker than cake batter. If more than 4 cups flour is required, add another cup slowly after all other ingredients have been incorporated. Blend well. SOURCE: Revisions by Joni Repasch and adapted from Mrs Charles Lambeth, from: Old North State Cook Book, Charlotte, NC, and contributed to The Southern Cook Book, 1951, by Marion Brown. Inspired by Mary Jones Thompson (my paternal grandmother, Christiansburg, Virginia) January 17, 2002 YIELD: 12-14 servings --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.16 --------------- From: "Joni Repasch" Subject: For Helen re Maltcob flour source Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:48:10 -0400 Helen, I can't help you locate the maltcob flour but I do make a bread that is English called Granary Style Bread........It's oh, so delicious and I make it quite often. Below is the recipe. Most of the unusual ingredients can be purchased from King Arthur Flour. telephone 1-800-827-6836 or 1-802-649-3881 Please note, the recipe is for making by hand but I'm sure you could make it in your bread machine with no trouble. joni repasch Granary Style Bread 3076* 2 cups water, hot from tap 1-2 tbsp Barley Malt Extract, treacle, molasses or honey, 1 cup Malted Wheat flakes 2 cups KA 100% White Whole Wheat Flour 1 scant Tbsp instant yeast 2 Tbsp melted butter or vegetable oil 2 tsp salt 1/2 tsp Diastatic Malt Powder (optional) OR 2 scant Tbsp Kathy G's Dough Magic 5 Tsp Vital Wheat Gluten 3-4 cups KA unbleached a-p flour Measure the H20, sweetener, flakes & white wheat flour into a large bowl. Mix in the yeast and allow to work 15-20 minutes. Add the fat, salt, malt powder (if using) OR Kathy G's Dough Magic, Vital Wheat Gluten and 2 1/2 cup all-purpose flour. Add more flour until the dough forms a shaggy mass. Turn onto a floured work surface and knead until it holds together. Let rest for several minutes. Knead for several more minutes. Place dough in a greased bowl, cover and let rise until doubled in bulk, 1 1/2 hours. Punch down, cut in half and shape to fit two greased 8 1/2 x 4 1/2" loaf pans. Let rise until about 3/4 risen. Bake in a preheated oven 350 F oven 35-40 minutes, or until breads test done (190 F). Cool on rack, if you can wait that long. YIELD: 2 Loaves SOURCE: Fr: KA package of Malted Wheat Flakes _____________ * KATHY G'S DOUGH MAGIC 1 cup lecithin granules 1 cup dried whey 4 Tbsp diastatic malt powder 1 Tbsp ginger 1 Tbsp powdered pectin (Sure-Jell) 1 Tbsp ascorbic acid (or Fruit Fresh) 1 Tbsp corn starch --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.17 --------------- From: rls-1850@juno.com Subject: whole wheat bread Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:53:31 -0600 Dawn was looking for a whole wheat sandwich bread, slightly sweet, that her white-bread-loving family will eat. Hope this one fills the bill. I can vouch for it, having made it several times. The recipe first appeared in the April 1988 issue of _Country Living_ magazine, in an article by Rebecca Christian titled "A Boxful of Memories." Ruthie's Perfect Wheat Bread 1 package active dry yeast 1 3/4 cups warm water 1/4 cup firmly packed light brown sugar 3 tablespoons vegetable oil 1 teaspoon salt 3 to 3 1/4 cups all-purpose flour 2 cups whole-wheat flour In a large bowl, combine yeast, sugar, salt, whole-wheat flour, and 1 cup of the all-purpose flour. Stir well. Pour in the warm water and oil and stir well, about 100 strong strokes. Stir in some of the remaining flour till dough leaves the sides of the bowl. Turn out on a floured board and knead, one push at a time, about 10 minutes. Butter the surface of the dough and return it to the bowl. Let rise till double. Punch dough down, let it rest 10 minutes, turn it out onto a lightly floured board, and cut it in half. Shape each half into a loaf; place each loaf in a greased 8 1/2 x 4 1/2-inch bread pan. Let rise till double. Bake at 375 F for 25 minutes, then check. If bread is browning too fast, cover loosely with aluminum foil. Bake 20 more minutes. Turn out on rack to cool. [My note: My old oven baked hot, so I adjusted accordingly. You may need to, too. Also, I copied this recipe onto a notecard and threw away the original article, so this recipe's wording is not exactly as published in the magazine.] --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.18 --------------- From: "Margaret G. Cope" Subject: English Muffins. Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 07:54:08 -0500 Rick Krall's March 2 recipe confuses me. Four hour starter? And then in the sponge he refers to overnight starter. Am I missing something? Which is it? In the "Overnight Starter" he makes it and allows it to stand 4 hours. "overnight"to me means about 8-9 hours. Also in the recipe it calls for "bread flour". Can one use the higher gluten KA Special Flour which I use for my bread recipes? Also when will the ability to search for recipes be on line? Now that the English Muffin craze has hit in my house I would like to look up all the other recipes and due to some computer problems with my NEW computer which has many of the newsletters on it I can't find them. [[Editor's note: You can search for recipes now. and click on "search". I entered english muffins in the box and selected "exact match". It found 77 matches. Archived digests have names like "v099n022.txt". Recipe-only archives have names like "b1q97-2.txt". When you click on the match it will show you the entire digest or all the recipes for that quarter. Then use the "find on this page" command (usually ctrl-f) to find "english muffins" on the page. Someday the search will take you directly to the recipe, but I can't promise when that will be. --Jeff]] --------------- MESSAGE bread-bakers.v102.n014.19 --------------- From: Pat Robb Subject: Hearthkit Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:33:51 -0800 Just before Christmas the Hearthkit was mentioned here at least twice, once very enthusiastically by Reggie. I considered asking for this for Christmas, but decided to wait a while and see if anyone else was using it and what kind of experiences they are having. So, if anyone would care to share, I would love to know how it's working for you. Thanks much for any input. Pat Robb --------------- END bread-bakers.v102.n014 --------------- Copyright (c) 1996-2002 Regina Dwork and Jeffrey Dwork All Rights Reserved